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Where there is fire, there is always smoke. So why there isn't any smoke near the Sun?

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    $\begingroup$ Why the downvote? Thinking that the Sun is on fire is quite common. We even use the term "stars burn their fuel" and similar terms. Googling the answer is not straightforward if you have no idea where to start. +1 from me. $\endgroup$ – pela Mar 24 '15 at 8:03
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    $\begingroup$ related: astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/2302/… $\endgroup$ – Mithoron Mar 24 '15 at 15:16
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    $\begingroup$ Also, the saying is "Where there's smoke, there's fire". So the existence of smoke would imply the existence of a fire, but not vice-versa. $\endgroup$ – Dan C Mar 24 '15 at 18:08
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    $\begingroup$ If you really want to play loose with terminology, the sun "burns" with nuclear fusion and produces "smoke" in the form of plasma. This is very simplified, grossly inaccurate, but it gives an easy to describe visualization of the process. $\endgroup$ – Bob The Janitor Mar 25 '15 at 16:58
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    $\begingroup$ "Where there is fire, there is always smoke." - No there isn't, clean-burning gas doesn't produce smoke. See any decent gas stove. :) $\endgroup$ – marcelm Sep 18 '17 at 21:04
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The sun isn't on fire. Fire is actually very rare in the solar system. It requires chemical potential energy, which happens on earth because of life. Photosynthesis uses solar energy to build things out of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen (and some other elements). It's these carbon chain structures that are ultimately flammable, and pretty much, only in an Oxygen atmosphere. Oxygen atmosphere is produced by the same photosynthesis.

The sun's heat comes from nuclear fusion which doesn't make smoke. Also, the nuclear fusion only happens deep the inside of the sun, the outside is just a thick blanket of molecules - mostly hydrogen. The sun also isn't transparent. The light we see from the sun is like the light we see from a red hot piece of metal or lava. Red hot metal doesn't smoke (unless you drop water on it - which is actually steam.) The sun, like red hot metal or lava, glows bright because of temperature.

In a certain sense, the tail of a comet is kind of like steam being made by the heat of the sun.

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    $\begingroup$ Technically, the smoke from dropping water on hot metal is not steam, which is invisible, but fog from steam condensation in the cooler air. Similarly, the tail of a comet is not exactly steam, but closer: dust and ionized gases glowing in solar wind. Quite poetic too! $\endgroup$ – chqrlie Mar 25 '15 at 1:43
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The sun is not actually on fire, like a log burning. In the core of the sun, a nuclear reaction takes place that generates heat. Because the sun is so large, it generates a lot of heat and it glows like an incandescent light bulb.

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Fire is actually the rapid oxidation of a combustible material. Smoke is the airborne particulates and gases that result from the combustion, or from pyrolysis.

The sun is not undergoing an oxidation reaction, so it's not producing particulates that one might refer to as smoke.

The process the sun is undergoing is nuclear fusion, where hydrogen are combined and create helium. This reaction is very energetic and releases heat, visible radiation, and other radiation along a wide swath of the electromagnetic spectrum. The reaction is self-sustaining - as long as there is fuel, the emissions of fusion reactions cause nearby fuel to react as well. No oxygen or oxidizing agent is required.

Further, the resulting helium is comparatively heavy, and the sun being a huge mass keeps both the hydrogen that is the fuel and the helium that is the product nearby - they don't leave like hot smoke does from a fire.

So there is no smoke as we might consider it - just helium gas (plasma), and even if there were it would simply drop into the sun, there is no such thing as "rising" from it as one might consider smoke does on earth-borne fires.

You might find this music video provides further instruction on composition and reaction of the sun.

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Even if an entire volcano worth of smoke and dust particles, like 1000000 tons, and you detonated it near the Sun's surface, it would probably go red and fall into the sun in 5 seconds.

The sun has turbulent whisps of high energy particles escaping its huge gravity, except that it's invisible and it's called solar wind. If you could see a slice of it, it might look similar to smoke on a large format.

Carbon based smoke ignites at around 400 degrees, and all other smokes decompose into atomic vapor and ion blasted by intense ionic forces at the sun's surface temperature, and some miles form the surface. If you breathed a cigarette at 1 mile from the sun, the smoke would change states into ions because the temperature would excite the molecules and atoms of smoke that they would be a plasma.

The sun weighs 333,000 times more than here... so the gravity is probably at least 10,000 times as strong at the surface of the sun.

Atmosphere is heavy, and if air is compressed 10,000 times it is closer to being a fluid than something that can handle gas.

So, the Sun doesn't have any atmosphere, because it's too liquid, it bubbles. If the sun were cold, it would perhaps have a bizarre kind of atmosphere, perhaps someone here can say what kind, perhaps only a few meters high, and perhaps 1mm. A human on a cold sun would become a puddle and sink, his bones would flatten under their own weight, to something very fine.

The temps are too high for visible molecules, and the movement is too violent for smoke, smoke can't exist in a fire, and the Sun is a kind of fire multiplied by 1000.

The question is, what molecules at all can exist at Sun temperatures? Molecules decompose in microseconds and there is perhaps some literature about any kinds of couplets and triads of atoms that can exist near the surface.

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  • $\begingroup$ there are mistakes about the fluidity of atmospheres at the sun surface, although it's a fairly decent info for a base view. $\endgroup$ – com.prehensible Nov 11 '16 at 22:20
  • $\begingroup$ If the sun doesn't have an atmosphere, then where do Fraunhofer lines come from? Amongst other questionable things in this answer... $\endgroup$ – AtmosphericPrisonEscape Nov 13 '16 at 1:02

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