# Was the Earth-Sun distance ever calculated based on the time difference between night and day?

If we define sunrise and sunset as the time when the center of the Sun goes over the horizon then day time is a little bit shorter than night time because from a single point one cannot see a complete hemisphere. Computing backwards from a known Earth radius of around 6700km and a known Earth-Sun distance of around 150 million kilometers one can compute that the angle of the Sun shining on the Earth is 13,4/150.000 which comes to the day being roughly 5 seconds shorter than the night.

The radius of the Earth was already known to the ancient Greeks. You also need a clock that is accurate to at less than a second per day and a spot to observe the Sun rise and and Sun set at exact times. If you are not at the equator there will be differences in day time due to the tilted Earth axis but one could either measure directly at the equator or measure over a whole year and average it out.

Question: was this method ever used to estimate the distance between the Earth and the Sun?

• You mentioned 4 effects already (clock accuracy, latitude, time of year, and clear horizon), but there is another effect that is larger than those and variable from day to day: atmospheric refraction. Refraction causes a rising object to appear to be half a degree higher than reality. Refraction depends on atmospheric pressure and temperature, so it may be harder to compensate for it. But your idea is good otherwise. Feb 19, 2020 at 17:00
• @JohnHoltz So if atmospheric refraction causes half a degree difference my method would actually measure the day to be 86400/720=120 seconds longer than the night. Meaning this effect is much stronger than the difference I was trying to observe and if you don't know about it or are not able to compensate for it to high accuracy my method won't work. Feb 20, 2020 at 7:33
• The Sun can take on weird, distorted shapes when it is near the horizon. Judging where the center is can be challenging. This is, in part, why sunrise and sunset are defined based on when the topmost point on the Sun as opposed to its center appears to cross the horizon. But that definition exacerbates atmospheric effects, which is why predicted sunrise and sunset times are only listed to the minute. The actual time can easily vary from the predicted time by half a minute. Feb 20, 2020 at 13:58
• And then there's the effects of elevation. Suppose someone watches the sunset from a prone position and then stands up. That enables the person to watch the last two to four seconds of the sunset all over again. Feb 20, 2020 at 14:00
• @JohnHoltz Do you want to write your comment up as an answer? Essentially my idea doesn't work unless one can very accurately account for atmospheric refraction. I would accept that as answer. Feb 21, 2020 at 7:46