In ProfRob's excellent answer to Is S2 still the fastest known star in the galaxy?, he posted a figure of the orbital paths of stars passing close to the supermassive black hole near the center of the galaxy, which I am re-posting here:

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This figure caused some confusion in the comments, especially concerning the fact that there doesn't seem to be a common focus for all the ellipses in the image, as might be expected by Kepler's First Law. ProfRob reminded the other users that the figure was a projection of the orbits in 3D onto the plane of the sky.

Question: How are the geometric properties of orbits conserved (or not) when projected onto a plane?


  1. Are the 2D projections of ellipses also ellipses?
  2. Do the ellipse projections all contain the corresponding projection of the central mass?
  3. Why don't the ellipse projections share a focus?
  4. Under what conditions (if any) will the projections share a focus?
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    $\begingroup$ From the consideration of what image a thin disk will create which we look-at initially face-on, we see that we can reduce either axis by projection or both, depending on how we turn the disk. As location of the ellipse foci depend on the eccentricity, it follows that the foci can shift either direction, depending on how we project the ellipse. So only the trivial projection (no change) leaves foci unchanged. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 10, 2021 at 6:51
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    $\begingroup$ I'm not able to write a full answer, but per my answer to Why does Earth not appear to be at the focus of TESS' elliptical orbit in this video? we can see that projective transformations of conic sections are still conic sections, but that's about all that's necessarily preserved. The projections will not generally look like 2D orbits about the original central body any more. I've also linked there to Homography between ellipses in Math SE. $\endgroup$
    – uhoh
    Commented Apr 10, 2021 at 7:34
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    $\begingroup$ Not necessarily a duplicate since your question is more general: Why does the closest approach of star S2 to Sgr A* not appear to be near the focus of its elliptical orbit? $\endgroup$
    – uhoh
    Commented Apr 10, 2021 at 7:42
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    $\begingroup$ Helpful and very interesting comment by ProfRob which suggests that whenever your de-projection of the observed ellipse gets the central body to the focus of the ellipse, you have found at least some of the orbital elements. $\endgroup$
    – uhoh
    Commented Apr 10, 2021 at 7:53
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    $\begingroup$ Consider a perfectly circular orbit of radius 1, centred at the origin, in the XY plane (z=0). If we rotate it by $\gamma$ around the X axis, its projection back onto the z=0 plane it gets squashed into an ellipse with X semiaxis of 1, Y semiaxis of $\cos(\gamma)$, and foci at $(\pm\sin(\gamma), 0, 0)$. $\endgroup$
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Apr 10, 2021 at 9:07

2 Answers 2


Yes, the 2D projection of a 3D ellipse (or circle) is always an ellipse (or circle). However, in general, the various elements of the 3D ellipse do not project to the corresponding elements of the 2D ellipse.

A simple parameterization of the 2D ellipse uses the eccentric anomaly. For an ellipse centred on the origin, let $a$ be the semimajor axis, aligned with the X axis, $b$ the semiminor axis, aligned with the Y axis, and $\theta$ the eccentric anomaly. Then $$x = a\cos(\theta)$$ $$y = b\sin(\theta)$$ Note that $\theta$ is not the central angle of the ellipse, it's the central angle of the auxiliary circles associated with the ellipse. Here's a diagram, courtesy of Wikipedia (click the image for an SVG version): Eccentric anomaly

The eccentric anomaly of point P is the angle E. The center of the ellipse is point C, and the focus is point F.

The blue circle provides the X coordinate of P, and the green circle provides its Y coordinate.

The vertices of an ellipse are the points where the major axis crosses the ellipse, the co-vertices are the points where the minor axis crosses the ellipse. The focal points lie on the major axis at a distance $f=ae$ from the origin, where $e$ is the eccentricity. Note that $a^2=b^2 + f^2$.

If we rotate the ellipse in 3D around the X axis by $\gamma$ and project it back onto the XY plane, the projected ellipse has the same semimajor axis, but its semiminor axis shrinks to $b\cos\gamma$. Similarly, if we rotate it around the Y axis by $\beta$, the semiminor axis is preserved, but the semimajor axis shrinks to $a\cos\beta$. With more complex rotations, things get complicated...

We can represent rotations using rotation matrices. This is useful because we can combine rotations by multiplying their matrices. Please see the Wikipedia article for details.

Using rotation matrices, we can produce parametric equations for the general 3D ellipse. I won't reproduce those equations here, since they're a bit messy. But using those equations we can show that the projected ellipse is, in fact, an ellipse.

Below is a Sage / Python script which creates an interactive 3D plot of a rotated ellipse and its projection onto the XY plane. I use the same conventions as that Wikipedia article: I use a right-handed coordinate system, with angles $\alpha, \beta, \gamma$ representing anticlockwise rotations (in degrees) around the Z, Y, X axes, respectively. (If you "grab" an axis with your right hand, with your thumb pointing in the positive direction, then your fingers curl in the positive angle direction).

The $z=0$ XY plane is rendered in translucent grey. I plot the vertices, co-vertices, and foci of the 3D ellipse in primary colours, and use the same colours for the projections of those elements onto the 2D ellipse. The major axis is red, the minor axis is blue, the foci and the 3D ellipse itself are green. I also plot the actual vertices, co-vertices, and foci of the 2D ellipse: magenta for the major, cyan for the minor, and pale green for the foci and the 2D ellipse. When one of these points coincide with a projected point, the graphics system "decides" which one to render.

I also add grey lines connecting each point of the 3D ellipse to its projected point in the 2D ellipse.

""" Plot an ellipse in 3D & its projection onto the XY plane
    Written by PM 2Ring 2021.04.11
    Updated 2021.07.15

from math import radians

# Project a 3D vector to the z=0 plane
Z0 = diagonal_matrix((1, 1, 0), sparse=False)

ps = 8
# Plot a 3D line & its endpoints
# The line may contain multiple segments
def pline(pts, color):
    return point3d(pts, size=ps, color=color) + line3d(pts, color=color)

# Plot a line and its projection on the z=0 plane
def pline_proj(pts, color):
    # Project the points
    pts0 = [Z0 * u for u in pts]
    # Draw the line & its projection
    P = pline(pts, color) + pline(pts0, color)
    if do_connected:
        # Connect each point in pts with its projection
        P += sum(line3d(u, color="#aaa") for u in zip(pts, pts0))
    return P

def main(ecc=ContinuousSlider((0, 1), stepsize=0.05, default=0.6),
  alpha=ContinuousSlider((-180, 180), stepsize=5, default=0),
  beta=ContinuousSlider((-180, 180), stepsize=5, default=20),
  gamma=ContinuousSlider((-180, 180), stepsize=5, default=20),
  connect=True, frame=False, perspective=False, auto_update=False):
    global do_connected
    do_connected = connect

    a = 1
    f = a * ecc
    b = sqrt(a^2 - f^2)
    print("b =", b)

    # Build rotation matrices
    alpha = radians(alpha)
    beta = radians(beta)
    gamma = radians(gamma)
    Rx = matrix(RR, [
     [1, 0, 0],
     [0, cos(gamma), -sin(gamma)],
     [0, sin(gamma), cos(gamma)]])
    Ry = matrix(RR, [
     [cos(beta), 0, sin(beta)],
     [0, 1, 0],
     [-sin(beta), 0, cos(beta)]])
    Rz = matrix(RR, [
     [cos(alpha), -sin(alpha), 0],
     [sin(alpha), cos(alpha), 0],
     [0, 0, 1]])
    R = Rz * Ry * Rx

    # The z=0 plane, origin, & axes
    P = plot3d(lambda x,y: 0, (-a, a), (-a, a), color="#888", opacity=0.2)
    P += point3d([(0,0,0)], size=ps, color="#666")
    P += line3d([(-a, 0, 0), (a, 0, 0)], color="#aaa")
    P += line3d([(0, -a, 0), (0, a, 0)], color="#aaa")

    # The 3D ellipse
    fxyz = R * vector((a*cos(t), b*sin(t), 0))
    fxy0 = Z0 * fxyz
    P += parametric_plot3d(fxyz, (t, 0, 2*pi), color = "green")
    # The projected ellipse
    P += parametric_plot3d(fxy0, (t, 0, 2*pi), color = "#7f7")

    # The vertices & co-vertices of the 3D ellipse and their projections
    # Major
    vx0, vx1 = fxyz(t=0), fxyz(t=pi)
    P += pline_proj([vx0, vx1], "red")

    # Minor
    vy0, vy1 = fxyz(t=pi/2), fxyz(t=3*pi/2)
    P += pline_proj([vy0, vy1], "blue")

    # The foci of the 3D ellipse and their projections
    f0 = R * vector((-f, 0, 0))
    f1 = R * vector((f, 0, 0))
    P += pline_proj([f0, f1], "green")

    # Find the true vertices & co-vertices of the projected ellipse
    # rf is the radius function of the projected ellipse
    rf = abs(fxy0)
    # Major
    ap, t0 = find_local_maximum(rf, 0, pi)
    _, t2 = find_local_maximum(rf, pi, 2*pi)
    vpx0, vpx1 = fxy0(t=t0), fxy0(t=t2)
    P += pline([vpx0, vpx1], "magenta")

    # Minor
    bp, t1 = find_local_minimum(rf, 0, pi)
    _, t3 = find_local_minimum(rf, pi, 2*pi)
    P += pline([fxy0(t=t1), fxy0(t=t3)], "cyan")

    # Find true foci of the projected ellipse
    eccp = sqrt(ap^2 - bp^2) / ap
    P += pline([vpx0*eccp, vpx1*eccp], "#7f7")

    P.show(frame=frame, projection="perspective"
      if perspective else "orthographic")

Here's a screenshot: 3D ellipse

It's a bit hard to see what's going on in that screenshot. It's a lot easier in the interactive 3D view. This view is created using three.js, and responds to the usual OrbitControls: you can pan & rotate the camera using the mouse, use the mouse wheel to zoom. On a touch screen, one finger rotates, use two fingers to pan & zoom.

The script now allows you to easily set the frame off or on, and to choose between a perspective or orthographic camera. Also, you can edit the eccentricity and angle values by clicking on the number shown at the right of the slider.

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    $\begingroup$ Thanks, @Connor! It's great fun being able to do that 3D stuff. And with SageMathCell I can do it all on my phone, although it's probably a Good Idea to use a desktop or laptop for longer programs. :) Sage uses matplotlib for 2D graphics, which is designed to be matlab-like. It uses three.js for the 3D stuff. It only exposes a tiny bit of the power of three.js, but it's a lot easier to use than working directly in three.js (plus I prefer writing Python to JavaScript). $\endgroup$
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Apr 10, 2021 at 18:40
  • $\begingroup$ ellipses stay as ellipses for both perspective and orthographic projections. I think astronomers are loath to use perspective but GUI's often default to perspective for "realism" so it's important to keep track of the distinction. Your math is for orthographic but your image shows perspective; the edges of the black bounding box are not parallel. $\endgroup$
    – uhoh
    Commented Apr 11, 2021 at 0:19
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    $\begingroup$ @uhoh It definitely makes sense to use an orthographic view for this task, so I've updated the script to use it as the default, but you can select perspective if you want. I also added a toggle to turn the frame on & off (it's now off by default). $\endgroup$
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Apr 11, 2021 at 8:55
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    $\begingroup$ @uhoh The projection of the 3D ellipse to the XY plane is certainly an orthographic operation, but that doesn't affect the validity of the final rendered image. However, I do agree that it's useful to view this scene with an orthographic projection; OTOH, a perspective projection is more natural. $\endgroup$
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 16:55
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    $\begingroup$ @uhoh BTW, I've just made a few more minor improvements to the script. $\endgroup$
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 16:56

Being masochistic, I guess, I took on this very endeavour “by hand” a few months ago, as I didn’t want to use “ready-made” solutions—the best way to understand something is to study its insides! Three major points come out:

  • The projection of an ellipse is always an ellipse (or a circle, which is a special case of an ellipse)
  • The only dimension in common between the true ellipse and the projected ellipse is the apsidal axis
  • The center of both the true ellipse and the projected ellipse is the same—but not the foci!

To find the projected ellipse from the true ellipse, or vice versa, you have to build an auxiliary ellipse, the calculation of which is rather long and convoluted. If you want to be as “masochistic” as I am, I’ll be happy to share my results (inspired by Jeremy Tatum’s notes at http://astrowww.phys.uvic.ca/~tatum/celmechs.html and Esmat Bekir’s article at https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/article-file/568547).

  • $\begingroup$ If we rotate around the minor axis, the projected major axis shrinks. $\endgroup$
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Apr 10, 2021 at 18:50
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    $\begingroup$ @PM2Ring: You are right! My mistake, sorry! I have edited my answer; it is the apsidal axis that remains the same. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 10, 2021 at 19:06

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