Is it about the same as Earth's orbital speed?

  • 1
    $\begingroup$ It depends. An object's speed is related to the length of it's orbit, and this varies greatly. See Kepler's Laws. $\endgroup$
    – stevenvh
    Commented Sep 17, 2014 at 15:55

2 Answers 2

  1. Comets don't cross Earth's orbit really. Orbits are one-dimensional objects and their chance of crossing in 3D space is 0. Henceforth, I consider a comet at distance 1AU from the Sun.

  2. What's the maximum speed of a returning comet at 1AU from the Sun? This can be easily worked out from the orbial energy $$ E = \frac{1}{2}v^2 - \frac{GM_\odot}{r},\qquad\qquad(*) $$ which is conserved along the orbit ($v$ and $r$ the Heliocentric speed and distance). For a returning comet, $E<0$ and the speed cannot exceed the escape speed (which occurs for $E=0$) $$ v_{\rm escape}^2 = 2\frac{GM_\odot}{r}. $$ The speed of the Earth can be worked out from the Virial theorem, according to which the orbital averages of the kinetic and potential energies, $T=\frac{1}{2}v^2$ and $W=-GM_\odot/r$, satisfy $ 2\langle T\rangle + \langle W\rangle=0. $ For a (near-)circular orbit (such as Earth's), $r$ is constant and we have $ v^2_{\rm Earth} = GM_\odot/r. $ Thus, at $r$=1AU $$ v_{\rm escape} = \sqrt{2} v_{\rm Earth} $$ as already pointed out by Peter Horvath. Non-returning comets have local speed exceeding the escape speed.

  3. Can a comet near Earth have a speed similar to Earth's orbital speed?. Let's assume a comet with the same speed as Earth at $r$=1AU and work out the consequences. Such a comet must have the same orbital energy as the Earth and, since $$ E = -\frac{GM_\odot}{2a}\qquad\qquad(**) $$ with $a$ the orbital semimajor axis, must also have $a=1AU$ and the same orbital period as Earth, i.e. one year. Moreover, the comet's apohelion satisfies $$ r_{\rm apo}\le 2a = 2{\rm AU}. $$ Such comets don't exist AFAIK. Most returning comets have much longer periods than 1 year.

  4. What's the typical speed of a returning comet when at distance 1AU from the Sun? To work out this question, let's parameterise the comet's orbit by its period $P=2\pi\sqrt{a^3/GM_\odot}$. From this relation we immediately get $$ \frac{a_{\rm comet}}{\rm AU} = \left(\frac{P_{\rm comet}}{\rm yr}\right)^{2/3}. $$ From equations ($*$) and ($**$), we can then find $$ v_{\rm comet}(r=1{\rm AU}) = \sqrt{2-\left(\frac{P_{\rm comet}}{\rm yr}\right)^{-2/3}}\,v_{\rm Earth}. $$ In the limit of $P\to\infty$, this recovers our previous result $v_{\rm comet}\to v_{\rm escape}$. For typical period of $\sim$70yr, the speed of the comet is close to this number.

  5. Finally, I shall coment that all this only relates to the magnitude of the orbital velocity (speed), but not to its direction. Comets are typically on highly eccentric orbits and, when at $r$=1AU, move in quite a different direction than Earth, even if their speed is only slightly larger. So the relative speed $|\boldsymbol{v}_{\rm comet}-\boldsymbol{v}_{\rm Earth}|$ of a comet with respect to Earth can be anyting between about 10 and 70 km/s.

  • $\begingroup$ This is a great answer! You're better than Wolfram! This is exactly the information and tools that I was looking for. Thanks very much. Doug. $\endgroup$
    – user38715
    Commented Sep 18, 2014 at 18:47
  • $\begingroup$ who is Wolfram? $\endgroup$
    – Walter
    Commented Sep 18, 2014 at 20:07
  • $\begingroup$ wolframalpha.com/input/… :-) $\endgroup$
    – user38715
    Commented Sep 18, 2014 at 21:28
  • 3
    $\begingroup$ @Walter the answer to "Who is Wolfram" is either Stephen Wolfram or perhaps Wolfram Research. But of course user38715 was referring to wolframalpha.com $\endgroup$
    – uhoh
    Commented Oct 24, 2017 at 7:23

There are relatively big varieties, but most of them is between 10 and 70 km/s.

If a comet is a periodic comet, that means it needs to have an elliptic orbit around the Sun. That gives an upper limit to its speed of the escape speed from the solar system on the orbit of the Earth. That is around 40 km/s.

But this 40 km/s is in the reference frame of the Sun. The Earth is moving in this reference frame with around 30 km/s, on a nearly circular orbit.

Between the escape speed and the mean speed of a circular orbit there is always a $\sqrt{2}$ relation. It is a physical law.

Theoretically it were possible to find extrasolar comets (if the speed of it were bigger as around 70 km/s, it were a clear signature of its remote origin), but they aren't coming.

  • $\begingroup$ Should have thought this through a leeetle bit more. Obviously a comet with an aphelion of 1 AU would have a very different speed at Earth than one with an aphelion of 2 AU. Duh. $\endgroup$
    – user38715
    Commented Sep 17, 2014 at 23:08
  • $\begingroup$ Wow. Something's sensitive! $\endgroup$
    – user38715
    Commented Sep 17, 2014 at 23:09
  • $\begingroup$ Doesn't like <CR>s. Or likes them too much. If I can change my question, are there any (many?) comets that have about the same speed at 1 AU as Earth's average speed? Thanks. Doug. $\endgroup$
    – user38715
    Commented Sep 17, 2014 at 23:16
  • $\begingroup$ @user38715 I only said its speed will be smaller as the escape velocity. $\endgroup$
    – peterh
    Commented Sep 18, 2014 at 9:34

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .